{"id":2441,"date":"2010-10-26T12:15:15","date_gmt":"2010-10-26T20:15:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/wordpress\/?p=2441"},"modified":"2010-10-26T20:22:46","modified_gmt":"2010-10-27T04:22:46","slug":"rev-billy-talen-leads-congregation-against-sitlie-measure","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/wordpress\/2441\/rev-billy-talen-leads-congregation-against-sitlie-measure\/","title":{"rendered":"Rev. Billy Talen Leads Congregation <br>Against Sit\/Lie Measure"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/images\/photos2010\/billy_talen_no_on_l_20101025\/_w2w4380_std.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rev. Billy Talen and the Church of Stop Shopping Gospel Choir performed an exorcism of Proposition L yesterday in San Francisco, a controversial measure on the November ballot that would criminalize the act of sitting and lying on a sidewalk. Photos by Luke Thomas.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>By <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/wordpress\/author\/luke\/\">Luke Thomas<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>October 26, 2010<\/p>\n<p>The Rev. Billy Talen from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.revbilly.com\/\">Church of Stop Shopping<\/a> led a full choral congregation of sorts in San Francisco yesterday to exorcise the demons of Proposition L, a controversial Sit\/Lie measure on the November ballot that would criminalize the act of sitting or lying on a sidewalk between the hours of 7am and 11pm.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLet\u2019s save the commons, protect public space,\u201d the charismatic preacher said to his flock which included as many as one hundred Prop L protesters. \u201cWe\u2019ve got to be able to sit down once in while, praise be.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->Set against a backdrop of dozens of green and yellow \u2018No on L\u2019 signs on the corner of Mission and 16th streets, Talen and the Life After Shopping Gospel Choir sang a rendition of the First Amendment before Talen began a short sermon denouncing fundamentalism and what he called a paranoia of fear.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe First Amendment right to be in public space is inviolable,\u201d Talen told FCJ during an interview following the service. \u201cIt can\u2019t be compromised for paranoid visions of danger that are painted for us by upper-middle class people, or police, or anybody. What they\u2019re doing is just painting this broad picture of lack of safety because of some kids that don\u2019t take showers in the Haight, or whatever they\u2019re coming up with. Real safety comes from our cooperation, working together.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re willing to go around the world bombing people because of an idea of lack of safety &#8211; that is nothing but paranoid,\u201d Talen added. He called Proposition L a \u201cfascist\u201d idea.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/images\/photos2010\/billy_talen_no_on_l_20101025\/_w2w4369_std.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"333\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rev. Billy Talen looks skyward after completing an exorcism of Proposition L.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Joining Talen, District 11 Supervisor John Avalos said: \u201cThe police chief thinks he can change everything in San Francisco by talking to the establishment people, people who are funding the Prop L campaign, the people who think we can cleanse our sidewalks of the riffraff.  We are riffraff. I am riffraff. He\u2019s saying that the Board of Supervisors are playing politics with public safety, but this man has got some serious hubris, and that\u2019s a demon.\u201d<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 510px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fogcityjournal.com\/images\/photos2010\/billy_talen_no_on_l_20101025\/_w2w4402_std.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"331\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Supervisor John Avalos speaks out against Proposition L.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Blaming Mayor Gavin Newsom for a failure of his policies, candidate for District 6 Supervisor Debra Walker said, \u201cCriminalizing the poor is an admission of failure by this mayor on his policies to end homelessness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI am solidly supporting Prop M (police foot patrols).  I think that we need to prioritize and mandate foot patrols in the Tenderloin \u2013 that\u2019s going to be a big part of my program and policy once I\u2019m elected into City Hall, working with the police and the community to establish effective community policing. All the studies around community policing shows that it (foot patrols) works, especially in urban areas.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cDistrict 6 is a perfect district for foot patrols, more bicycle patrols, actually engaging in the community to get the community\u2019s help in reducing crime in the streets. So, yes on M, no on L,\u201d Walker added.<\/p>\n<p>Walker said the City would save money with the implementation of targeted foot patrols, the logic being that street crimes will be deterred by the presence of foot patrols resulting in a reduction of downstream prosecution and incarceration costs.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf how we\u2019re responding to crime on the streets is two or three police car responses, every time we have an emergency call on the street, it\u2019s ridiculous,\u201d she said.  \u201cSo I think we can cut our automobile budget for the police, pass Prop M, and prioritize foot patrols and I think that the public will see a reduction in crime and safer streets, certainly in District 6 but also throughout the City.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><center><object classid=\"clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000\" width=\"480\" height=\"385\" codebase=\"http:\/\/download.macromedia.com\/pub\/shockwave\/cabs\/flash\/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0\"><param name=\"allowFullScreen\" value=\"true\" \/><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\" \/><param name=\"src\" value=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/1OMACBIHClA?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;color1=0x3a3a3a&amp;color2=0x999999\" \/><param name=\"allowfullscreen\" value=\"true\" \/><embed type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"480\" height=\"385\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/1OMACBIHClA?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US&amp;color1=0x3a3a3a&amp;color2=0x999999\" allowscriptaccess=\"always\" allowfullscreen=\"true\"><\/embed><\/object><br \/>Debra Walker discusses her opposition to a Sit\/Lie ballot measure (Prop L) and support for foot patrols (Prop M) on the November 2010 ballot.<\/center><\/p>\n<p>A mother of a nine-month old son, Celina Gomes Sutton, said, \u201cHow can he be safe in a city willing to waste police time and money citing people for the innocent act of sitting instead of spending that time and money on developing real solutions and, dare I say, fighting real crime.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>She called Prop L \u201cinsane\u201d and \u201ca harmful way of thinking.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople do not come here because we promote fear and intolerance. They love it here because we don\u2019t,\u201d Sutton said.<\/p>\n<p><strong>More Info<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>More <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/results?search_query=fogcityjournal&amp;search=Search&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=spell&amp;resnum=0&amp;spell=1\">Videos <\/a>from the event.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Set against a backdrop of dozens of green and yellow \u2018No on L\u2019 signs on the corner of Mission and 16th streets, Talen and the Life After Shopping Gospel Choir sang a rendition of the First Amendment before Talen began a short sermon denouncing what he called fundamentalism and a paranoia of fear.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,62,222,17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2441","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture","category-events","category-news","category-politics"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.1.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Rev. 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